As I've sold quite a bit of my Fantasy army, someone pointed me out that Specialist Games exist, which seems to be with less models to painted and possible to be played in a shorter time. I've found their site on the internet, but fairly few people here play it so I have no idea what games are easy to pick up... Does anyone have some experience with them?

*points at vinz/rattiq* :lol:


Specialist games are good, especially the ones that can be played with the same minis as the mainsream systems [e.g-mordheim is played with fantasy minis], so mainstream players can dive in without having to buy another set of models.

I'm interested in mordheim, necromunda and inquisitor, having read the rulebooks [which are free, another bonus] , but I haven't played any of them yet [closest being a mordheim-style skirmish game]. Generally the specialist games are good fun, because of the increased detail, and stronger RPG element, as well as the higher degree of freedom for game types and random ocurrences.

A good example of this being an inquisitorial henchman getting hit by an eviscerator, in the groin. :blink: [eviscerators being two-handed chainswords that can 'open' tanks]

My advice would be to have a go at it. Round up some individuals and think up a good game to play, the more entertaining and random it is, the better. ;)

Definitely go for it. I play Mordheim, and it is my favorite game of all time. Ever. :P I also plan on starting Blood Bowl soon, as Vinz says it is amazing... :P

Pillz

Bloodbowl is more fun than Warhammer, and I love Mordheim. Unfortuently, the only person I can play (shiva) hates Mordheim.....

*laughs*... That just made my day.

I started with Bloodbowl some five years ago, though discarded it after a while (yes I know, shame on me) due to a lack of interested opponents. Yet, when around 2003 Games Workshop created the Bloodbowl Ressurection tournament and soon after the NAF organization came to life, my interest (and luckily that of my mates too) started to grow and for about five months we had a decent league, with my Skaven doing not too bad. Unfortunately, college came along and almost all of those regular opponents scattered through the Netherlands... While I did play some games from time to time, it wouldn't be until the Dutch Open tournament in February 2005 that I'd actively dive into the game again. First year I've used Dwarves with moderate results and in 2006 I stepped back towards my one true love, the Skaven. It has been a bit of a love/hate relationship between the two of us though, as my results were a long way from decent. (Just ask any of the master moulders that have seen my tournament reports at UE.net). Though, I hope to have a squad of goblins painted before February, as during my last tournament I completely fell in love with the team after having played against them at the BUBBLE tournament in Utrecht during September. Okay, so I won with 7-0 and did 6-1 in casualties, but that team has secret weapons, which IMO is the most fun aspect of bloodbowl. (You'll never be able to dodge a steel ball flung towards your head).
The best thing I find about bloodbowl is that you'll be painting approximately twenty models at most (though with the goblins I'll have a headcoach, an assistant coach, a cheerleader, three fans, a turn counter, a score counter, a re-roll counter, a goblin referee, two trolls, ten goblins, a fanatic, a chain-saw wielding goblin, a bomb-throwing goblin and a ninja-gnoblar who will act as the pogoer, which brings the amount of models towards the twentysix models). There is nothing more you'll need to paint, which means the cost to start those games is relatively lower then for example Warhammer Fantasy.

Mordheim is a game that has an awful amount of character. While it looks like a more detailed version of Warhammer Skirmish, your characters will gain skills/ injuries during a campaign and eventually end up to gain a background for themselves due to their actions during that campaign... The major upside with this game is that the step from Warhammer Fantasy into Mordheim is very low, as Mordheim is based upon the system of WH Fantasy. Aside from that, there are a lot of 'experimental' warbands, which means where Games Workshop cuts down the amount of armies to be used in WH Fantasy, Mordheim will still have those (in warband style then) and much, much more!
I've been playing this game quite long as well and find it to be a splendid game! My assassin adept had a -1T injury after his first match and it took him over six matches, before he got his toughness back up to date. That was quite fun and his background now makes him a battle-hardened Eshin. All in all, this is really a fun game to do when you don't have enough time to do a WH Fantasy battle.

Necromunda is (like Mordheim) a skirmish game, though this one is based upon the background of the planet Necromunda within the WH 40k setting. While fairly easy to pick up, the rules have a bigger resemblence with the second edition of WH 40k, then with the third or fourth. This is due to the short/long ranges still being listed per weapon and many of the weapons being fairly similar to what's listed in the old second edition Codex Wargear (which I happen to have in my possession)... I don't play this as much as I'd like to do, but I hope to pick this up again once I move towards my own appartment in a big city like The Hague/ Utrecht. (With my paper being app. fourty percent done, this might happen quite soon).

GorkaMorka is almost the same as Necromunda, though being based upon the planet Angelis something and having only Orks fighting one another. Almost every model is mounted on a buggy, wartrakk, or any other vehicle you see the orks racing around with in 40k. I use Rebel Grots in this game and have an absolute blast!... In my opinion, it's a bit better then Necromunda, due to the higher amount of action taking place. You'll have to take the manoeuvres of your opponent into account, but will have to react fast once a buggy spins and you almost ride straight into it. Quite fun, hope to be able to play it a bit more.

Man 'o War is a sea-based game and as with GorkaMorka one of those that is out of production. Luckily I have all the rulebooks and hope to get myself a fleet (or scratch-built one). The rules I still have to go through and it's really a hard game to get into, but from what I've heard it's immensely fun to do. A bit like with Warmaster, it's based on large-scale action on sea and has more to do with thinking smart, then actually creating a uberkilling combo with characters. I seriously hope I can start this one soon!

Inquisitor I haven't done, usually to the fact that RPGing is not really my thing... Same goes for Warmaster and Epic, though I'm tempted to do Epic due to the massive models they have. And off course the fact that Forgeworld is going to get the game Aeronauticus Imperialis released somewhere in the future, which makes use of the Epic-scale flyers. Those are just such cool models!

Anything else I can come up with? Nope... Happy reading guys. ;)

Wow, that is just one awfully big post... :o

Mordheim seems to be very tempting!

If Man 'O War and GorkaMorka are out of production, that means GW can no longer profit from them and their intellectual property doesn't matter, right? I mean, they have N64 emulaters for the same reason. So, the rules for those games are legal to post online, as far as I know. :D :ph43r:

Plus most of (if not all) of the Specialist Games are available online...

And I started Blood Bowl. ^_^


Does anyone know where I can get PDF's or something of the templates for randomizing and the counters? 'Cause I really don't want to buy the starter set just for those...

Pillz

you're on your own for that one mork....

I love both mordheim and bloodbowl. Unfortunately, the only person who plays mordheim in my club now is annoying as hell, and the staff randomly decied to sell the remainding mordheim terrain, and stop keeping the bloodbowl board there because they take up too much space (because they are too bloody messyw ith all their crap), so they both died.

I'm not bitter, no....

@Kill-Kill:
I've checked it today and Games Workshop has published over a hundred and fourty games since they started. Much of those have been produced as small games between 1980 and 2000, after which just so much were taken out of production and became "cult products". If you'd look for a full Warhammer Quest box, the amount you might need to pay for it on eBay runs in the hundreds of dollars!... Still, the games remain property of Games Workshop and as its their intellectual property, publishing the rules of those games online might get you into a lot of trouble! Trust me, I've seen sites being taken down for publishing Gorkamorka rules.

@Morkskittar:
Oh trust me, not all of them are published online... Games like Gorkamorka, Man o' War, Battle of Armageddon (and its expansion Chaos Attack) and off course Gobbos' Banquet have all been out of production for quite a few years now, though these rules are far from being published online. Though, it does seem Andy Hall (Fanatic guru) has some plans with publishing Gorkamorka in some Necromunda expansion.

I'll try to look up something for those counters and templates for you. Might have some link in my archive.

[blatant plug] I'm starting up an IG RPG, using mostly inquisitor rules, over on they UE. If you fancy a taste of inquisitor [although, naturally, with a few more vageuries], I'd advise giving it a go ;) [/blatant plug]

Mordheim all the way baby, cant beat it wen your ninja adept dodges pistols shots every turn for 5 consecutive turns hodling up an enemy warband while the rest of my rats scuttle off with the treasure chest. :lol:

Also, check out fumbbl.com. Free online BloodBowl. I'm Kill-kill, and Shiva's username is trouble.

Hey VP, then you really ought to try out Necromunda...

While Mordheim is fun to play, IMO Necromunda is a little better. As they don't have a fixed amount of experience and a much higher max. XP level. Aside from that, you seriously don't want to walk into someone that's carrying a massive plasma cannon! *evil grin*...

Kill-Kill, unfortunately my computer isn't so fast to be able to play games online. So I guess I won't be able to try it out.

inquisitor is one of the best games going. kicks the pants off 40k, and almost fantasy...the sheer amount of freedom during the game is marvellous, and consistantly leads to hilarious occurances...e.g. the impelling of a mutant off the top of a pyramind by a psyker, only to collide with and knock out another psyker trying to do the same thing on the other side of said pyramid...and the hallucinogenics are a gift from the gods...play it! play the game. use normal 40k models if ye don't want to fork out £60 for a decent warband, but try the game out. it can be so damned amusing.

I just plyed my first two games of Blood Bowl today (I bought the boxed set), and it is SOOOOO worth it! I had so much fun with it.... it might be replacing Mordheim as my favorite game soon... :D

Pillz

Mork, check out fumbbl. Its BloodBowl without the tedium.

I actally have an account there that I've never used.... I'll prolly be looking into it once I master the rules a bit more...

Pillz

*grins*... I've been reading through the rules of Man O' War and it all slowly begins to make sense to me. While it will take quite some time before I have a play-able fleet to use and an awful lot of counters to make (for those who play Battlefleet Gothic, Man O' War owns that game when it comes to the amount of counters), I can use that extra time in order to master the rules completely.

more counters than gothic? i don't believe you

is it as tedious and complicated as gothic - with broken rules (necrons) - and more rules querys than two 10 year olds on a sunday morning in workshop?

obviously a great fan of battle fleet gothic :P

why yes, i have 2500 pts of eldar, the only other race as broken as necrons

Eldar really are broken. I don't have any experiance when 'crons but I can tell you that imperials will beat chaos every time. Esp. with that Nova Cannon. I think i need to take the planet killer sometime just to give Shiva a taste of his own medicine.

Go play fumbbl. If you do make an account, make sure to poke me and i can help you get the hang of the system (I play 1-2 a day)

@beardy:
I think you might be surprized on the amount of counters involved with Man 'O War. Indeed, I agree that the amount of counters/ markers in the Battlefleet Gothic are numerous, though the 'problem' with Battlefleet Gothic is that you simply have counters for everything. Each ship has its own stat card, there are counters for each character added to a vessel, counters for crew, counters for the status of your vessel and so on... Come to think of it, the difference might not be that great, but because Man 'O War uses counters for everything in that game, I still rate them somewhat worse on that level then Battlefleet Gothic.

@Kill-Kill:
The problem with Necrons is the sheer trouble you will have to go through in taking them down, especially when using an Eldar fleet. Used and faced them on a few occassions. I don't necessary consider them broken, but yeah... They're not funny to face, as small as such a fleet might look in comparison to my escort-heavy Ork fleet.

What is this Man o' War actually?

just a quick question, is there any advantage to using large models for inquisitor? (aside from hte higer profits for GW) because I dislike working with large models

Now back ontopic, I love Mordheim, and my Cawdor and scavvie gangs are alot of fun
I would recommend Mordheim if you paly more fantasy and Necromunda if you long for hte days of old 40K

just the ramblings of another crazy though.....

nope. none at all. i too prefere moddelling in 28mm scale. I'm currently finishing off my "serenity" crew (from the tv series firefly) in 28mm scale for inquisitor.

i think that the only difference is that its harder to do wisiwig on 28mm scale, but nobody i know (except GW) ever enforces the wisiwyg rule anyway.

The Serenity crew in 28 mm? *grins*... Oh, if you could do so, I would most certainly appreciate seeing some pictures of those. Damn, that series was so bloody good!

@ beardy- its wysiwyg :P

the 52 mm is better for that game because the game is more indepth, its easier to define what areas can be seen to be hit in the game with the larger modles where as with 28mm there would be more disputes about where you can see that mans chest or not. it makes them easier to convert as you have more to work with and allows for better finished modles once the conversion is finished. *looks at own modles* sure they aint well painted but i prefer them to 28mm just becuase i think they look way better.

but if i were to do serentiy in 50mm it would cost me an arm and a leg.

50mm, for all its advantages was just another way for GW get more money out of the impoverished gamer. the same with LOTR being on round bases instead of square. stopped people using their fantasy miniatures in store LOTR games.

*interesting side note, if anyone was collecting LOTR, now is the time to buy it. GW's contract to sell it runs out soon, and as it is killing the company they are probably not going to carry on making it.

Hope you don't mind this semi-hijack. Is there anyone here who is both from sweden(northen part) who plays(or want to play) any specialist game? I would love to play some but i know nobody who does.

true it costs a bit more but you only need a few modles, no more than 2 if your really feeling skint, thats 24 quid, it woudlnt be worth them selling it otherwise. the fact they are huge modle si think compensats for the extra price and as its a specialist game its slightly less comparativly anyway. true GW do charge a bit to much but ti think its worth it. it only becomes expencive when you obsess.

by "obsess" do you mean "properly collect"

*points to 5000pts of fantasy empire*

like that "obsessive" collection of soldiers i have for fighting "obsessive" games

pshh.. only a colective 5000..:D that iant an obsession, thats a random hmm what can i do with this little wad of cash..

i little wad of cash?

all my pocket money (practically) from 1999 to 2002

someday (like when i have a job) i'll finish re-painting it all and buy the rest of the models needed.

Its your lucky date, Im from sweden. Stockholm area, and im just to but up BFG, finnish Mordheim, start Ratskins in necromunda, Skaven bloodbowl team, Ork Epic and Skaven Warmaster :lol:
I love the specialist games. Might give Inquisitor a GO! 28mm affcourse.

Cool, you're doing Epic too? I am currently working on building myself a Titan Legion force!

URL: http://underempire.net/index.php?showtopic...dpost&p=2696774

For those interested in Blood Bowl, the link above leads you to a tounament report.

Read that and loved it. :D Inspires me to go play Blood Bowl more often...

Pillz